Bull-X now has a 300 grain flat-nosed bullet available for the I've read the ballistics and reloading guides but would like to hear user reports for reloaders who have experience with CFE BLK and H110 in 300 AAC Blackout in SBRs and . All the way to the max of 23.7. If Ive missed anything or something you think I should try ask and Ill see what I can come up with as a test. Right now my feeling is that this is a powder that needs to be compressed. Select your cartridge type from the drop-down list. New Starline 300 Blackout Cases. Thats good news for shooters of small varmint cartridges. Ill find out! Copyright 1996-2023 AR15.COM LLC. Hodgdon reports the CFE BLK meters well, allowing reloaders to throw very consistent charges every time: This fine powder meters like a dream and leaves no copper residue, extending accuracy for longer shooting periods, and making clean-up quick and easy.. Its hard an the ears and eyes. 896 fps Really wish my chrono would not flake out at these higher rifle speeds. 881 fps, 18 barrel carbine gas 892 fps. Lil gun and Win 296/H110 seem to do good for 300gr. Some hunters speculated that it would sound the death knell for . 21.96, 22.00. 21.98, 21.98 You are using an out of date browser. I know getting your choice of powders is tough right now, but maybe CFE isn't the best choice for that bullet weight. 9.0, 10.0 grains Hodgdon H-110 powder (See chronograph data below) 2.230 COL (2.260 is max for AR-15) Use load data at your own risk. 56 ES "Montana seems to me to be what a small boy would think Texas is like from hearing Texans." . I've tried Lil Gun for 300BOit seems to run hot. They literally explode. I only loaded 150 grain Hornady bullets when I was loading for a 16" .300 BO carbine. My best CFE BLK load was 200 ft./s slower than my H110 load. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. Much of the effectiveness of that round relies upon its 3,000 feet per second . I just dont want to pay the hazmat and more powder if I can make these work. Considering the low velocity this is encouraging. Last weeks load of 11 grains at 2.255 had an ES just over 200 fps. It meters well, my Vintage RCBS powder measure was set up to throw 21.3 grains of 1680. It is going to be in the neighborhood of HS-6, which is too fast for your gun. . 44 Hodgdon CFE Pistol 94 IMR Co IMR 4166 144 Accurate Arms 8700 45 Ramshot Silhouette 95 IMR Co IMR 4064 145 Vihta Vuori 24N41 46 VihtaVuori 3N37 96 Norma 202 146 Hodgdon 50BMG I'm using a suppressor and 16 inch barrel and there is plenty of gas to cycle the action reliably and give me around 1050 fps. Im right in the middle of the load data. The original CFE 223 propellant was formulated for reduced copper fouling (CFE in the name refers to Copper Fouling Eraser). I loaded it with CFE and weighed it. I have probably written it off as a short barrel/pistol gas powder. alamo5000 I won't go into powers or practices as other, better men than I have already spoken however if you, or anyone here for that matter, need to order on line might I suggest Graf & Sons. We place limited powder inventory for sale on a regular basis on our website. Click "Get Data" to view results. Accurate 1680 is good for subs and h110, cfe blk, imr 4227 and lil gun work good for supersonic loads. This spreads out the seating force over a larger area of the bullet jacket. There is very low port and muzzle pressure. This is compared with H110 at 52,800 PSI and IMR 4227 at 48,700 PSI. The post is about my experience between H110 and Lil'Gun in .357mag used in 20" and 24" leverguns explaining that I switched powders for the much lower peak pressure advantage expecting to see a slight drop in velocities as is the case with Lil'Gun when used in pistol length barrels but instead I found I got a large velocity increase along with the expected lower peak pressure. 1:13" barrel tho. 1059 Have a supply of CFE BLK just in, and while it looks to be a little slow for the standard Hornet, it may work very well in the K-Hornet, especially with 45-50 grain bullets--which may or may not be worth it. For supersonic or subsonic loads? I use H110 for supers (110gr) and AA1680 for subs (180 and 208gr). Hodgdon H110. 208 Amax NEW CFE Pistol Reduced-Fouling Pistol Powder from Hodgdon, SHOT Show: Hodgdon Introduces New CFE223 Powder, Hodgdon Claims New CFE223 Ball Powder Deters Copper Fouling, New Redding Powder Measure for Small Varmint Cartridges, New 2012 Hodgdon Reloading Manual Coming Soon. You will receive an email every Friday morning featuring the latest chatter from the hottest topics, breaking news surrounding legislation, as well as exclusive deals only available to ARFCOM email subscribers. Hodgdon Lil'Gun. By comparison a sized empty case holds 24.5 grains of H110/296. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Chronoed using a magnetto. Ultimate Reloader is not responsible for errors in load data on this website. I did not shoot without the suppressor. Snipers Hide is a community of Snipers of all kinds, focusing on long range shooting, accuracy, and ballistics. 1047 Loading up cheap and quiet subsonic 300 blackout using gallant bullets with CFE BLK powder in mixed head stamp converted brass. JMHO, but I would back off of that. This powder does not compress easily. Hodgdon reports the CFE BLK meters well, allowing reloaders to throw very consistent charges every time: "This fine powder meters like a dream and leaves no copper residue, extending accuracy for longer shooting periods, and making clean-up quick and easy." CFE BLK Should Be on Dealers' Shelves in January 2017 I have always had good luck with H110 and WW296 for that case . Work up. I did not take a picture of trigger group, it was actually still very clean. 15.8gr H110 chrono'd 1920fps from my 16" with the bullet crimped into the first driving band. I debated it but the guy at Hidgon thought Id be fine unless I was trying to push the velocity beyond what I really need in a 7 pistol. -300BlkTalk, 110 grain V-Max CFE BLK load data -300BlkTalk, For Better Bullet Seating Try Lapping Inside of Seating Stems Daily Bulletin, https://www.barnesbullets.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/300AACBlackoutV6ForWeb.pdf, 300 BLK suppressed AR Pistol subsonic reloading, Powder question for reloading 300 Blackout Subsonic. There was one odd round that had a very low velocity. A little more tuning on this load and it will be time to stretch it out. 220 Hornady RN, 12.1gr CFE BLK, sig brass, cci 450. The others were fine in the bolt, but AR reliability dropped significantly with subs with H110 and 4227. 21.98, 21.98 IMR 4198 does not meter well. hardcast loaded to 2.250". One of the top two holes of the 18 barrel was a flyer by me, the other was I am sure just the load. Email ( required; will not be published ). Clear Ballistics Gel Test, Kimber Camp Guard ? I use H110 mostly for 410 shotshells and 450 Bushmaster heavy loads. With an impact velocity of . Any use of this content without express written consent is prohibited. It's a lot quieter than CFE BLK with the same velocity, it's amazingly clean and barely notice any gas. Here is a target at fifty yards. My 300 is mainly a range blaster so it does what I need it to do. Definitely worth a try. PwrPro 300-MP H110 296 H4227 IMR - 4227 AR - 2205 A - 5744 A - 1680 680 N - 120 H4198 IMR - 4198 200 AR - 2207 2000 A - 2200 LT-32 REL - 7 AR - BMk1 H - 322 A - 2015 AR - 2219 Benchmark IMR - 3031 A - 2230 X-Terminator REL-10x 201 AR - BMk2 3000 N - 130 A - 2460 Sp10 BLC (2) 748 N - 133 Is there an aftermarket seating stem for these V-Max? That should do the trick for 44 Mag. One new winner* is announced every week! Hodgdon CFE BLK. A H110 18.8 2259 40600 20.0 2382 50600 C A H110 18.8 2220 39300 20.0 2348 50800 C I dropped the charge .3 grn because I wanted to test velocity in both an 8 pistol gas system and an 18 carbine. I am also using 220 grain subsonic loads. BTW, 18.5 grs pushing 110 gr Hornady SP's are way more accurate out of my cheap PSA rifle than I would have ever figured staring out. 2.255 COL ES in the hundreds. LC converted 1.350, 1067 fps Shooters World BUFFALO RIFLE. A bunch CFE Pistol and a bunch of Blue Dot. Sierra Jacketed SP BC: 0.338 2.100" OAL SD: 0.226 Sugg Max StartingVelocity Pressure Load Velocity Pressure Powder Grains FPS Grains H110 Lil Gun . The left side group that is marked was the 8 barrel, unmarked 18. var s = document.getElementsByTagName('script')[0]; s.parentNode.insertBefore(ga, s); JavaScript is disabled. And 300 AAC BLACKOUT with BERGER 115 to 230 grain .30 caliber bullets. I know it's probably not much help but I've loaded quite a bit of 300blk and I'm really not of fan of CFE BLK in both sub and super loads. Editor: You should go directly to the Hodgdon Reloading Data Center. 1720fps from 8 inch barrel. Brass fresh from the tumbler (well maybe 6 mos ago). It's interesting that Hodgdon shows 20g is max load, but Hornady shows 20.2g. And I can attest to the fact it does a number on rock chucks. After thousands of rds of both calibers I can say it is a good powder for full power loads in magnum calibers. This would be for either a 300gr SMK or 350gr Maker. Shooters World HEAVY PISTOL. WARNING: This product contains chemicals known to the State of California to cause cancer and birth defects or other reproductive harm. Primers showed some flattening, more than I would have expected for only 37,400 psi. I will probably wnd up grabbing some H110 if Insee it locally. Also good to use with Magnum revolver cartridges like the .357, .41, .44, .454 Casull and .500 S&W magnum cartridges. Copyright 1996-2023 AR15.COM LLC. Honestly, I think 4227 and H110/296 to be the ideal powders for that bullet. I use 20g and get just short of 2400 fps in a 16" barrel with no pressure signs at all. Any experience with CFE BLK in magnum revolvers? Obviously, the RPK can throw rounds much further, but not as accurate as a 7.6263 bullet. Back to the Hornady 208 Amax. You are using an out of date browser. and a ES of 11 fps. 8.6 BLK H110 vs CFE BLK I've got a load worked up using both A1680 and H110 for my 8" gas gun build. and it gave 1,225 fps at 39,700 psi and a ES of 16 fps. The 8 barrel pistol gas in a word was uncomfortable to shoot without ear protection. It looks about like you would expect given the velocity spreads. I adjusted my die up in the press and its smoother but man its still marring the bullets with both seating stems. I use W296 only for supers. The following is from a 10" test barrel using the 700 gr. I have had trouble before with sunny and snow being too bright. I just loaded at 22.5 and another at 22.0. 21.90, 21.94 Improved Military Rifle IMR 4198. Surprisingly they list Lil'Gun as their preferred powder and not H110 or W296. 1007 fps Hodgdon Lil'Gun. It was designed for the 9mm and the 40 but will work in the 10mm. Next step for me is to load some like I think they should be loaded, instead of the given data. Did I forget to mention that gas proof goggles might not be a bad idea when shooting this powder? I have read a variety of ballistic charts and reloading data. AR15.Com reserves the right to overwrite or replace any affiliate, commercial, or monetizable links, posted by users, with our own. The change in the group from last week to this reflects that. . Five shot groups for both barrel lengths. is the glorified version to run 110-220gr projectiles,sub & super sonic. vs 20.2. As someone said above, maybe the case capacity of this brass is lower causing it to be more full???? IMR 4227 is a lot closer to that original powder, and it works well in 300 Blackout. 1040 by alamo5000 Mon Jul 09, 2018 7:46 pm, Post For subs, I run Lil Gun with berry's 220 gr in my 8" at 1050 FPS. Very accurate. No amount of coating will keep 55,000 psi from cutting a soft bullet. This spherical propellant is designed expressly for the 300 Remington AAC Blackout cartridge and meters very accurately. Despite this huge disparity in pressure, muzzle velocity of the three is about the same (1,940, 1,971, and 1,899 FPS). Hodgdon Trail Boss. I have all four and find each has it's strengths with different weight and style bullets. by alamo5000 Mon Jul 09, 2018 7:54 pm, Powered by phpBB Forum Software phpBB Limited. VEL. JavaScript is disabled. It provides full function in modern sporting rifles throughout . Originally Posted by Varmint Shooter. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. 2.185 COL It provides full function in modern sporting rifles throughout a range of bullet weights and is perfect for subsonic loads. A friend suggested maybe the bullet jacket is just crazy thin on this run of V-Max?? Brass looks fine. New CFE BLK shares this reduced fouling technology which was developed originally for the U.S. military. Great accuracy, very consistent and meters well. The group on the right of the pic below is much better than those numbers indicate. I also bought some Lil Gun and saw negligible difference in accuracy once I worked up the best 150gr fmj load for each. That's impossible to get with a 10 grain load. Compressed CFE BLK 110 gr. The Hodgdon loading guide for the 300 Blackout, 150 grn bullet, 16" barrel shows a max recommended load (20.5C grns) that only produces 33,500 PSI max pressure. 150gr Speer Gold Dot (BLK variant) 2.255" Hodgdon CFEBLK 22.8gr 2025fps 25.2gr 2250fps 150gr Speer Gold Dot (BLK variant) 2.255" Accurate 1680 21.3gr 1925fps 23.7gr 2150fps 150gr Speer Boattail Soft Point 2.255" Hodgdon CFEBLK 23.2gr 2075fps 25.8gr 2300fps 150gr Speer Boattail Soft Point 2.255" Accurate 1680 21.7gr 2000fps 24.1gr 2225fps yeah thats pretty bad its not just a mark, I have a nice area 419 funnel Im using and I tap them down when filling to get it to settle. In this case, with 11.5 grains in the case, bullet seated on the powder, COL is 2.220. Everything I read suggested that more compression is better with this powder from an accuracy standpoint. H110 and WW296 are the same powder, different containers. H110 came out much better than A1680 I assume due to the shorter barrel and faster burn rate of H110. Shooters World SBR-SOCOM. Always start low. In my 300 blk bolt action CZ 527 with 16" barrel, I had better chrono data and groups with 1680 and Lil gun than I did with CFE blackout for the 220 grain subsonic loads I typically shoot. You can lap the inside of the seater stem so that it matches the exact profile of the bullet. You may not reproduce original text or photos without advanced permission in writing. Please note that I do not load subsonic. Hodgdon H322. I was interested in seeing the flash suppression qualities. For me this powder was very expensive fertilizer until I started getting the bullet down into the powder. So yes..your starting load will be the bullet seating on top of powder. Known for its ability to deliver heavy subsonic bullets for standard AR magazines while cycling the action in suppressed applications, it also works well with lighter supersonic loads, offering a similar external ballistic performance to the 7.62x39mm Russian ( check out my 300 AAC Blackout Review from September 2012 ). 771 fps NOTE: Despite the BLK in the name, this is a NOT a black powder substitute. Awesome, thanks. I'm also hearing that people are having good results with CFE BLK but according to the burn rate chart CFE BLK is even slower thank A1680. This is compared with H110 at 52,800 PSI and IMR 4227 at 48,700 PSI. The 300 is very close to the 30 carbine so that is why it is used. For more information, go towww.P65Warnings.ca.gov. Here's a simple task you can do that will give your seater die a more perfect fit to your match bullets. But give it a try and let us know how it works. Mar 13, 2019. Moreover, CFE BLK is perfect for subsonic, reduced loads. and our I've read the ballistics and reloading guides but would like to hear user reports for reloaders who have experience with CFE BLK and H110 in 300 AAC Blackout in SBRs and AR15 Pistols. 813 fps The H110 produced a sharp crack recoil in my leverguns while the Lil'Gun produces a longer, stronger recoil. 240 SMK It also yields top performance in the 6.8 Remington SPC and the 7.62X39 mm Russian cartridge. The table I shoot from is white, there was a fair amount debris on the table from the ejection port. CFE BLK Should Be on Dealers Shelves in January 2017 I have compared it to IMR 4198, RL7, 1680, Norma 200, and Vit powders N110, N120, N130, N530 & N133. [ARCHIVED THREAD] - You 300BO reloaderswhy H110? Shooters World BLACKOUT. I pulled my trigger group and stripped my bolt. 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